The Eden Declaration
Public Group active 6 days, 13 hours agoWhat should we add to it? What should we remove?
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chris conder posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 6 days, 13 hours ago · ViewThere won’t be any 100mbps broadband in Eden if you let the cabinets in. They use the copper phone lines, so those on them will never get NGA. The monopoly known as openreach will take the funding and then we are stuffed. Just like they did with project access. We enabled the exchanges, and still most of our people couldn’t get a fit for purpose connection. We must not let Marie Fallon repeat history. Say no to cabinets. Stick out for digital parish pumps of our own. Then we can have 100 megabit or more if we choose to.
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Colin West posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 1 week, 6 days ago · ViewWe believe broad band is a Human Right
firstly what is C.H.I.P.S
Cumbria Highspeed Internet Provider Solutions.
We hope the icon represents the following
’To achieve our goal of highspeed broadband by holding out our hands to support fellow members and thus, standing together achieve this one objective’
This may, superficially, sound obvious, but most superficially sounding ideas have a context and Aileen and I would like to propose that the Eden declaration should be viewed through its SPEc (Social,Political and Economic context). By looking at this fantastic push for broadband in this all-encompassing light we can see that the benefits for every aspect of the SPEc make the requirement for broadband little less than a human right. Finland got there first and have enshrined the right in their constitution.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=should+access+to+broadband+be+a+human+right&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Even ‘Our oldest enemy’ France and the BBC research in the UK are not far behind in thinking this..
Is it possible others see this as the ‘preface’ of the Eden Declaration and if you agree we can discuss the implications. -
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Matthew Brack posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 3 days ago · ViewThinking about Ed Vaizey’s recent speech on net neutrality and ISPs managing the Internet (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Media/documents/2010/11/17/EdVaizey.pdf), success for this policy will depend on market competition and consumer choice - could this pose a problem for remote communities?
The First Mile monopoly problem is a real risk and now is the right time to be considering the alternatives and making informed choices.
It is helpful to separate apart the underlying access network infrastructure, the fibre pipes, from the use those pipes get put to, namely the transmission and reception of pulses of light (well infrared actually) that in turn carry information to and fro.
First Mile FttH (Fibre to the Home) networks in rural Final Third areas are natural monopolies as once one network is built then there are no customers to pay for a subsequent deployment.
By recognising and being proactive about the terms of trade then this monopoly infrastructure situation can be effectively derisked.and consumer choice through market competition assured.
I blogged about this here http://5tth.blogspot.com/2010/07/bringing-utopia-to-eden.html and the importance of ensuring community interest ownership remains for the access network to be structurally separated from and responsive to the delivery of content, services and applications.
The objective being to provide the best future-proof platform for competition and innovation to flourish - these are not technological outcomes, rather questions of ownership, interest and value, to whom and to what extent.
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Guy Jarvis posted on the forum topic The Eden Declaration - discuss? in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 3 days ago · ViewPosted some initial thoughts over at the group http://broadbandcumbria.com/groups/the-eden-declaration/
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Guy Jarvis posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 5 days ago · ViewSomething important I forgot to include in the annotated version is – internet backhaul pricing!
The unit of cost measurement for internet connectivity is the £ per Mbps per month.
This is the cost to have available for use, 24 hours per day for a month, one Mbps of data transfer.
By way of example if 1 Mbps was used to full capacity for one month then some 300GB of data would be uploaded and similarly 300GB of data uploaded, assuming a symmetrical connection.
In a London data centre (or Manchester for that matter) internet transit costs £1 to £2 per Mbps per Month.
By the time that internet transit gets to Cumbria the price has shot up to £70 per Mbps per Month.
Even in North Yorkshire with the NYNet option the cost still exceed £20 per Mbps per month.
The challenge then for BDUK is to help to radically narrow that internet backhaul price gap between rural Cumbria and big cities by removing the reason for the difference.The primary reason for the extra costs in rural areas is the cost of leasing a so-called tail circuit from BT (or others and mostly from BT as it has by far and away the most extensive existing fibre network across therural UK).
Therefore the simple solution is to capital fund these fat pipe internet backhaul feeds so that the ongoing cost of these connections reflects only the costs of operations and maintenance directly incurred i.e. remove the capital repayment element from the lease cost.
This step will serve to narrow the ongoing cost gap between rural Cumbria and urban areas and make a huge difference for sustainability.
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chris conder posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 5 days ago · ViewI think the annotated version that Guy Jarvis has posted here should be adopted. It is very good, and clarifies a few more points that were a bit vague.
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chris conder posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 5 days ago · ViewI think it needs making quite clear to everyone that Infinity is only fibre to the cabinet, and will never deliver next generation access. Every other county may get conned but we won’t? BT have said they won’t upgrade the areas that sign up and get FTTC. http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/363127/bt-first-fibre-exchanges-will-miss-out-on-top-speeds - sorta shot themselves in the foot there.
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Guy Jarvis posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 6 days ago · Viewhttp://www.nextgenus.net/edendeclaration-annotated.pdf
Some thoughts, notes and comments on the original Eden Declaration and how it might be developed further -from what is an impressive start.
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Martin Campbell posted an update in the group
The Eden Declaration: 2 weeks, 6 days ago · ViewI think that the declaration is a good starter for ten, but the point of the campaign as I see it is to secure Next Generation Access Broadband.
In my view this means that everybody in a community needs to be able to stream high quality video content - for TV, Telephony and new services like Telemedicine fex. 2 Megabit is not sufficient for this, 10MB would be a better minimum target/expectation. This has to be symmetric too. But ideally all would have a 100MB/s link, with the absolute minimum standard being 10MB/s for a relativly small percentage.
I think also that in order for this to be a meaningful target the expectation should be that if you live within a certain distance (to be defined) from the exchange or from the digital village pump you would get the 100MB/s service. ie. fex. only 2% of any community would be on 10MB/s with 98% on 100MB/s.
I think that it is critical that the Eden Declaration is tightened up to be clear on this issue, I do think the numbers matter as Cumbria County Council will have to put something about this in any tender and people need to know what they are fighting for. At the moment that could be as low as 2 MB/s for all.
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